So he went into a little trance state and did a "transderivational search"  (for those of you NLP Egghead's who like the technical terminology).  When means, essentially, he went inside and starts thinking about it, and he is mentally searching for counterexamples.  Now he has come up with a counter example, and that is a first step in getting him to believe there are other options for him available.  (to Victor)
Now we can't change how old you are! However there are things that...

Victor: Rita and I are working on that.

Wesley: He's coming up here and saying that I am already changing this stuff, but I am limited. Is that it?

Victor: No, you gotta give it the college try, you don't quit. Don't ever quit.

Wesley: Is that in holding onto the other belief or what ?

Victor: Don't hold the old belief, get rid of it.  I'm with ya.  So when I get up in the morning, before when I was 30 or 40, I didn't exercise.  I got up and I ate what I wanted, screwed around, drank.  Now I gotta watch it.  I discipline myself.  I watch my date, I mean my eating. ( Group laughter )  I got to exercise, can't drink as much. I drink here (at he NGH meeting) with Charles.  Now I am a monk, living like a damn monk.  It works, you can't just, ya know... a dissipated life, and you gotta stop,  I understand that.  I don't mind it, because I know the consequences if I don't. 

Wesley: Ok, good, so this is good he doesn't mind.  So this is what you been believing up till now?

Victor: Yeah

Wesley: So this has been seeming like it was the only option available for you.

Victor: Yes, it does work.

Wesley: Ok, here is what I did, "up till now" put everything in the past. "It seems like that has been true, hasn't it?"  This is starting to loosen the belief again.  Now we know there are other options because you are working on them. Do you have a question?

Unknown speaker: ( Can't make out what they are saying )

Wesley: I know, this is what I get with my clients, we sit down and we talk and we have this great conversation, and I ask them really strange questions and they go, "Yeah". Ok, so one of the things that I want to point out, one of the basics of doing this kind of work is, you gotta have rapport with them and the second thing is, when I am asking the questions I am really curious. I am wondering, "what's he doing?"

Victor: Yeah, Yeah, I see that.

Wesley: And, I am playful and that is part of what makes this work.  Because it is possible to take the sleight of mouth patterns and really hammer somebody and they are going to go, (raspberry), now get the hell out of my face.  Or you can just go, "WOW, you really believe that?  That is so amazing".

(to Victor) So first of all we know that other people have different experiences, and you have had better experiences than a lot of them have.  Ok, we also know that you have begun doing some things.  We also know that you seems to be fighting an uphill battle until now, but we don't know what the future is going to be like.  Ok, well let me ask you this.  How would you know if it was going to be better?

Victor: Well if I keep doing what I been doing, things are going to get worst, because right now I am holding my own.

Wesley: No, No, No, No.... you're answering another question than the one I asked, which is cool, but the question is, "How would you know if it was getting better?"

Victor: Well from what has happened in the past, if I continue to do what I am doing, I am increasing in health and energy.  Continue...